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Posted by Olaf (209.6.20.124) on July 17, 2002 at 16:21:05:

In Reply to: Re: more discourse posted by Olaf on July 15, 2002 at 14:14:51:

: I have to say I am really twisted. Olaf.

: Some more comments:

: : WHY DO YOU THINK I AM WARNING PEOPLE OF THE AREA.

: Actually, I get it. People should be warning people about a club which is going to fail because of the economics of it? The place basically stunk, was a total dive, the music sucked, a bunch of nasty and classless people were there groping the women on the dancefloor, and someone broke into your car while you were there, now I understand. I think all of the above are the case.

: : BECAUSE I
: : WAS THERE AND KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO NEED MORE THAN THE PEOPLE YOU HAD THERE. I WILL HONESTLY GIVE THIS PLACE A MONTH AT THE MAXIMUM. THEN IT'S ALL DONE. I KNOW THE STAFF
: : THERE. LIKE ANY OTHER CLUB, IT IS BUSINESS. NO PEOPLE= NO
: : MONEY. NO DRINKS=NO NIGHT. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. AND YOU ALL KNOW IT TOO. IT IS MY OPINION THAT I CAN FREELY RELAY TO OTHERS AS THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT TOO BAD.

: Again, why don't you let me worry about the economics of it and help out by telling people what you enjoyed about it if you were there, instead of ranting about how it's going to fail before it ever gets off the ground.

: :I APPLAUD OLAF'S WORK ON TRYING AND I MEAN TRYING, TO GET ALL SALSA CLUBS IN BOSTON

: : BUT IT IS NEVER GONNA HAPPEN ESPECIALLY IN THE BIGGER NIGHTCLUBS IN BOSTON BECAUSE THEY
: : CATER TO EVRYONE AND NOT JUST ONE CROWD THAT GOES OVERBOARD. THE ALL SALSA CROWD DOES NOT CONTRIBUTE THAT MUCH TO THE BAR. AND IS FAR AND FEW BETWEEN THE REGULAR CUSTOMERS WHICH OUT WEIGHS THEM IN ATTENDANCE. AND YES, THEY SPEND MONEY TO DRINK.

: Again, an economic issue. You're right again and there's some othe factors you need to consider. 1) we overcharge generally pretty high cover in order to make up for the lack of spending at the bar bcause none of my salsa addicts drink except water. 2) most serious salseros know that they need to support the bar if they want to keep coming to a place they like. 3) most nightclubs * do not want* to have the Salsa crowd there--they don't drink, and try to ruin th night we have here which compasses all people and not just ALL SALSA. This all salsa unrespectable clientelle on some nights are not worth it because they don't contribute to the bar, and furthermore they tend to lose grip on the variety of music played, etc.) 4) It's my experience that when you throw a good party and no one drinkes, it will not work out.

: : JUST CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELF. SOPHIAS WEDNESDAY NIGHT DOWNSTAIRS HOLDS 100 PEOPLE. BOAT CRUISE ADDING ALL DECKS MAYBE A LIL OVER 100 BUT NOT MORE THEN 150 FOR PEOPLE. LASTLY, THE ECKO LOUNGE 100 PEOPLE. SAYS IT ALL
: : DOESN'T IT.

: Sophia's basement is 100 (100, packed)your right again
: Sophia's 2nd floor (where we are now), 100 (100 packed)
: --keep in mind the roofdeck becomes overflow.
: Boat cruises, about 150 on the Indy (we've never had more than 150, average 150 last year)
: Ekco, 80-100 downstairs

: These are actual numbers, we count them. Also, not everyone is there at once. Some come early, some later.

: : TRY THE OTHER PLACES THAT HOLD OVER 200 PEOPLE
: : AND GUESS WHAT, YOU WONT MAKE IT. LIKE I SAID YOU DONT HAVE ENOUGH ALL SALSA PEOPLE TO PULL IT OFF.

: yes you are right because we do not have enough of us all salsa people to pull it off... maybe. Look at the scene. 5 years ago when I got into it, I went to nightclubs harrasing them to play all salsa. They finally threw me out.

: Now there's about 2 dozen instructors and latin nights seven nights in about 8-10 pretty happening clubs tha hold over 200 people. And it's not just me, but a lot of people are putting a lot of work into all this.

: Also, when we started the Wed. at Sophia's the now "rat-hole" basement, we'd have maybe 30 people there on our good nights. Eventually it got to 50, and now that we moved upstairs, most nights there are still 50 in attendance. We had 25+ on both nights so far at the Miami Club, not counting the people from the techno-night upstairs that came down later because they play all styles of music which a night club is supposed to do. Pretty bad huh? YES.

: Anyway, of course you're right about your opinions. I am clear on my promotions and only want to promote all salsa nights but th night clubs want the variety not just one music.

: But I think the mere fact is *really* what "says it all."
I need to change it up and do a variety like everyone else.
: Best regards,
: -Olaf

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: : I have to say I am really twisted. Olaf. : : Some more comments: : : : WHY DO YOU THINK I AM WARNING PEOPLE OF THE AREA. : : Actually, I get it. People should be warning people about a club which is going to fail because of the economics of it? The place basically stunk, was a total dive, the music sucked, a bunch of nasty and classless people were there groping the women on the dancefloor, and someone broke into your car while you were there, now I understand. I think all of the above are the case. : : : BECAUSE I : : : WAS THERE AND KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO NEED MORE THAN THE PEOPLE YOU HAD THERE. I WILL HONESTLY GIVE THIS PLACE A MONTH AT THE MAXIMUM. THEN IT'S ALL DONE. I KNOW THE STAFF : : : THERE. LIKE ANY OTHER CLUB, IT IS BUSINESS. NO PEOPLE= NO : : : MONEY. NO DRINKS=NO NIGHT. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. AND YOU ALL KNOW IT TOO. IT IS MY OPINION THAT I CAN FREELY RELAY TO OTHERS AS THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT TOO BAD. : : Again, why don't you let me worry about the economics of it and help out by telling people what you enjoyed about it if you were there, instead of ranting about how it's going to fail before it ever gets off the ground. : : :I APPLAUD OLAF'S WORK ON TRYING AND I MEAN TRYING, TO GET ALL SALSA CLUBS IN BOSTON : : : : BUT IT IS NEVER GONNA HAPPEN ESPECIALLY IN THE BIGGER NIGHTCLUBS IN BOSTON BECAUSE THEY : : : CATER TO EVRYONE AND NOT JUST ONE CROWD THAT GOES OVERBOARD. THE ALL SALSA CROWD DOES NOT CONTRIBUTE THAT MUCH TO THE BAR. AND IS FAR AND FEW BETWEEN THE REGULAR CUSTOMERS WHICH OUT WEIGHS THEM IN ATTENDANCE. AND YES, THEY SPEND MONEY TO DRINK. : : Again, an economic issue. You're right again and there's some othe factors you need to consider. 1) we overcharge generally pretty high cover in order to make up for the lack of spending at the bar bcause none of my salsa addicts drink except water. 2) most serious salseros know that they need to support the bar if they want to keep coming to a place they like. 3) most nightclubs * do not want* to have the Salsa crowd there--they don't drink, and try to ruin th night we have here which compasses all people and not just ALL SALSA. This all salsa unrespectable clientelle on some nights are not worth it because they don't contribute to the bar, and furthermore they tend to lose grip on the variety of music played, etc.) 4) It's my experience that when you throw a good party and no one drinkes, it will not work out. : : : JUST CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELF. SOPHIAS WEDNESDAY NIGHT DOWNSTAIRS HOLDS 100 PEOPLE. BOAT CRUISE ADDING ALL DECKS MAYBE A LIL OVER 100 BUT NOT MORE THEN 150 FOR PEOPLE. LASTLY, THE ECKO LOUNGE 100 PEOPLE. SAYS IT ALL : : : DOESN'T IT. : : Sophia's basement is 100 (100, packed)your right again : : Sophia's 2nd floor (where we are now), 100 (100 packed) : : --keep in mind the roofdeck becomes overflow. : : Boat cruises, about 150 on the Indy (we've never had more than 150, average 150 last year) : : Ekco, 80-100 downstairs : : These are actual numbers, we count them. Also, not everyone is there at once. Some come early, some later. : : : TRY THE OTHER PLACES THAT HOLD OVER 200 PEOPLE : : : AND GUESS WHAT, YOU WONT MAKE IT. LIKE I SAID YOU DONT HAVE ENOUGH ALL SALSA PEOPLE TO PULL IT OFF. : : yes you are right because we do not have enough of us all salsa people to pull it off... maybe. Look at the scene. 5 years ago when I got into it, I went to nightclubs harrasing them to play all salsa. They finally threw me out. : : Now there's about 2 dozen instructors and latin nights seven nights in about 8-10 pretty happening clubs tha hold over 200 people. And it's not just me, but a lot of people are putting a lot of work into all this. : : Also, when we started the Wed. at Sophia's the now "rat-hole" basement, we'd have maybe 30 people there on our good nights. Eventually it got to 50, and now that we moved upstairs, most nights there are still 50 in attendance. We had 25+ on both nights so far at the Miami Club, not counting the people from the techno-night upstairs that came down later because they play all styles of music which a night club is supposed to do. Pretty bad huh? YES. : : Anyway, of course you're right about your opinions. I am clear on my promotions and only want to promote all salsa nights but th night clubs want the variety not just one music. : : But I think the mere fact is *really* what "says it all." : I need to change it up and do a variety like everyone else. : : Best regards, : : -Olaf

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